Are Calvinists Treating Arminians Fairly? You Be The Judge!
Al Dager Responds!
Dager’s Critique of the TULIP
Dager first attempts to correct the definition of the doctrine of Total Depravity by writing, ” . . . This doctrine posits that man is so depraved that he doesn’t even have the ability to believe truth except that God first regenerate his spirit and then infuse the truth into him. This, Calvin got from Augustine, the most revered theologian of Romanism. But what does Scripture say?In his parable of the sower, Jesus alluded to the possiblility that some men may have good hearts:But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. (Luke 8:15)
Dager continues:
Turning to Unconditional Election, Dager “categorically” asserts, “This is a term not found in Scripture, but coined as a means to explain Calvinism’s belief that no man can choose God . . . ” Does Dager deny the Trinity? The word “Trinity” isn’t found in Scripture either. But the doctrine is. In the same way, though the term “unconditional election” was not written in the Greek New Testament autographa, nor has it been coined to dynamically translate any parallel words, the concept is clearly revealed in the most detailed passage which teaches us about God’s sovereign, unconditional election. The reference is Romans 9:11. “Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad (unconditional)–in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works (again, unconditional) but because of his call–” Paul in this verse, sandwiches the word election with two parallel phrases emphasizing the unconditional nature of his election.
The way Al Dager deals with irresistable grace is kind of funny. It seems to me that it would fit better as a challenge to Perseverance of the Saints. He swiftly passes by the activity actually described by irresistable grace to deal with what comes after one receives God’s irresistable grace. I’ll cite the entire short passage:
You see? After giving a brief, incomplete, yet typically cynical presentation of the definition of irresistible grace, he moves on to talk about the fact that Calvinists believe that God’s sovereignty ensures that those he saves will not “continue in sin.” He then accuses God of being the author of sin because, even though he has the power of keeping the elect from continuing in sin, he stops short of sovereignly preventing sin in the first place. But Scripture teaches at one and the same time that while he that sins is a slave to sin, God does not tempt sinners to sin. Calvinism affirms with Scripture that sinners are enslaved by sin, and also denies with Scripture that God is the author of sin. This is the art and science of biblical hermeneutics. Being able to include two seemingly opposing concepts without philosophizing an explanation for it, or for denying one concept in favor of the other. They are concurrently true, although all the details remain unrevealed to us. This is how Calvinism understands Scripture correctly , and how non-Calvinist systems, get off track.
Al Dager’s Opinion of the TULIP
Calvinism’s theology of man’s relation to God. Total Depravity of Man It would be more correct to head the acronym with a “D” since “depravity” is the primary noun, and “total” is an adjective that describes the noun. This applies to almost all the elements of this acronym which would be more accurately stated as DEAGP. But religious men, being what they are, like to make things neat for us so that we unlearned can more easily understand, and thus embrace, their theological systems.
Summaries of Sovereign Synergism
Romans 8:28-9:33
Vs. 8:28-30 The “golden chain” of sovereign works of grace done by God for the “called according to his purpose.” Notice the past tense of even the future “glorification.” If any of it happened to the professing believer, then all of it certainly will.
Vs. 8:31-39 Underscores the security in Christ of God’s elect.
Vs. 9:1-24 The fact of God’s sovereign (9:15-16), unconditional election (9:11) explains how God remains faithful to his covenant with Israel even though so many Jews have rejected Christ (9:6-8). In short, Gentiles who are called “according to his purpose,” if you will, are included among those God chose to redeem in Christ (9:24). Unbelieving Jews are not among God’s elect.
Vs. 9:25-33 The Old Testament basis for including the Gentiles of the world in the number of God’s chosen people.
Theological and Doxological Meditation #35
and live unto righteousness (Rom 8:1).
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Wheeling In the Kingdom of God
Fellowship Church goes for the world record . . .
My friend Gage usually covers the Fellowship Church beat, but he’s on vacation until Tuesday. I figured he might have had something to say about this ambitious effort to channel the energy of thousands of young people in a positive direction.
Is this what Scripture has in mind when it talks about fellowship? Perhaps some of these young Christians will redeem the time by witnessing to their unchurched friends who accompanied them to this spectacle. I’m sure that’s what the youth ministers who came up with this opportunity to “fellowship” had in mind, don’t you?As long as there’s life, there’s hope, I guess. But something tells me, it’ll more effectively serve the purpose of making a larger name for a church whose name is already awfully sizable.
Playing Marbles With Diamonds
Steve Camp
Waking up to a very different world
We’ve got mud on our flag before it’s even been unfurled
Our heroes have fallen and a leader is hard to find
The clock is running out, we’re casting our pearls before swine
There’s a whole lot more than preaching to the choir
Kneeling at the altar or paying our tithe
We’ve been treating God like He’s happiness for hire
We’ve been playing marbles with diamonds
Isn’t it a shame how His Name gets thrown around
We pat God on the back like a buddy from out of town
We thank the Man upstairs for the things people praise us for
We give God the glory but we’re happy to take the award
There’s a whole lot more than raising lots of money
Building our churches and spreading our fame
Faith is just the dice that you roll to get lucky
We’ve been playing marbles with diamonds
There are precious things of God and we must guard them with our life
Like an unborn baby’s dreams, like a husband loves a wife
May the hope of His returning, may it purify our faith
As we hold on to His holy Word may the chaff be blown away
Can we ever live up to the things that we say we believe?
Cause the world is watching, looking for some honesty
Have we been riding down a freeway instead of on a narrow road
We’ve turned a passion for the lost into a business of saving souls
There’s a whole lot more than preaching to the choir
Kneeling at the altar or paying our tithe
We’ve been treating God like He’s happiness for hire
We’ve been playing marbles with diamonds
There’s a whole lot more than raising lots of money
Building our churches and spreading our fame
Faith is just the dice that you roll to get lucky
We’ve been playing marbles with diamonds
The KJV Code Revisited
What precedent is there in Scripture, history or the disciplines of textual criticism or translation theory/practice for demanding a static translated text? There is none. There are anecdotal cases to which KJV onlyists could appeal, like the superstitious exaltation of the Septuagint, but these are erroneous and would prove utterly ineffective to persuade the bulk of orthodox scholarship to adapt everything to this invalid line of reasoning. Besides, radical KJV onlyists deny the validity of the Septuagint, and wouldn’t want to go there. This leaves them all alone with their novel theory.
Fundamentalists Contra Mundum!
That’s when it hit me! Fundamentalists contra mundum! Fundamentalists who seem to be against everything that’s going on in the broader Christian world except what’s going on within the four walls of their own churches, and the small group of churches with whom they are willing to extend genuine fellowship are like a photographic negative of the man for whom this Latin nickname was coined. There for a minute I considered telling my friend the story of Athanasius, who famously stood “against the world” (contra mundum) to defend the orthodox view of the Trinity and the deity of Christ during the Council of Nicea, but he had plenty of other things on his mind so before I had another chance to speak, the thought had escaped me. But now it’s back, and I thought it was a cute enough little association that serves to underscore the hyper-separatism of fundamentalism, that I just had to share it with you.More Discussion on Head and Heart
While Piper’s list on the Head and the Heart was springboarded from a quote by Andrew Murray . . . On “The White Horse Inn,” February 4, 2007, Ken Jones, Michael Horton and Kim Riddlebarger take the whole distinction between Head and Heart “head on!”
Ken Jones: When you see the twofold definition of truthfulness, you can really see how it applies to Christianity: what is true is based on what I feel and what I desire. But what’s cluttering the religious airwaves. . . messages that center on a feeling or try to instill a feeling within you, or messages that center on what you desire.
Michael Horton: So when people say, “You know, preaching has to go to the heart.” We have to say, “Well, yes, that’s true, but–“
Ken Jones: The fallen corrupt heart!
Michael Horton: Yeah, what is the heart? Who gets to define it?
Kim Riddlebarger: Biblically speaking, the heart has to follow the head, and the problem is, and the work of Satan is in this age, it seems to me, is to separate head from heart. That’s exactly the point! That’s what Paul warned us about repeatedly!
Amen, Brothers!
Theological and Doxological Meditation #34
Chez Kneel: Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
While I’m sending you to other blogs, check out this review of my favorite novel about the Lord Jesus Christ! You can read a few other comments of mine about it in the comment thread responding to this post over at Chez Kneel.
Desiring God Blogs on the Head and the Heart
The KJV Code
Actually, for Riplinger to focus in on every word and letter of the KJV as divinely placed by God and therefore, never to be changed, is nothing new. In this book, Riplinger goes into painstaking detail how to construct a definition of the words in the King James Version by its context. Contending that modern dictionaries mislead modern readers as to the definitions of archaic King James words sometimes, she suggests, instead of getting a version translated in more modern English, the faithful King James Onlyist should get older dictionaries!
Like an environmentalist worrying about the delicate balance of the ecology, the King James Onlyist dares not to disturb the inspired wording of the King James Version, lest eternal verities which can only be mined from its decaying pages are lost forever, as if the gates of hell would prevail against the church if twenty-first century Christians read the Word of God translated for them in the language of twenty-first century Christians, using twenty-first century biblical textual scholarship.
Pray for those in your circle of influence who are involved with such paranoid isolationism that the Lord may reveal to them the weakness of the case built by King James Only propagandists like Gail Riplinger, Peter Ruckman, Bill Grady and others of their extreme persuasion.











